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	<title>Comments on: What If EIA Annual Energy Outlook Were Written by an Honest Person?</title>
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		<title>By: Albert Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, if you ignore the politically-influenced stuff, EIA has some perfectly good and enlightening data.
For instance, the dominant renewable energies are hydro, and wood and waste burning.
We could increase the last item by creating even more waste, but I don&#039;t call that renewable.
As for wood, the Industrial Revolution started when Britain and others in Europe ran short of forests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, if you ignore the politically-influenced stuff, EIA has some perfectly good and enlightening data.<br />
For instance, the dominant renewable energies are hydro, and wood and waste burning.<br />
We could increase the last item by creating even more waste, but I don&#8217;t call that renewable.<br />
As for wood, the Industrial Revolution started when Britain and others in Europe ran short of forests.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google the Integral Fast Reactor (it&#039;s no longer at the Argonne Labs website)
or visit my website&#039;s global warming pages. skepticva.org/EnergyIndependence.html

You should get a PBS Frontline interview about a safe, renewable, sustainable energy technology that Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, various anti-nuclear-war organizations, and the Clinton Administration killed in 1994.

We should do what France did, build a national nuclear power system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google the Integral Fast Reactor (it&#8217;s no longer at the Argonne Labs website)<br />
or visit my website&#8217;s global warming pages. skepticva.org/EnergyIndependence.html</p>
<p>You should get a PBS Frontline interview about a safe, renewable, sustainable energy technology that Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, various anti-nuclear-war organizations, and the Clinton Administration killed in 1994.</p>
<p>We should do what France did, build a national nuclear power system.</p>
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		<title>By: Electricity prices keep rising. Welcome to the Recession. &#171; Cleanbuilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electricity prices keep rising. Welcome to the Recession. &#171; Cleanbuilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] finally, I have to recommend Chris Nelder&#8217;s humorous angle take on the EIA&#8217;s draft Five Year Outlook.     [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] finally, I have to recommend Chris Nelder&#8217;s humorous angle take on the EIA&#8217;s draft Five Year Outlook.     [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Oh Honestly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh Honestly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The EIA reviews how their Annual Energy Outlooks match up with reality.  Check out their retrospective review at http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/analysispaper/retrospective/pdf/0640%282008%29.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The EIA reviews how their Annual Energy Outlooks match up with reality.  Check out their retrospective review at <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/analysispaper/retrospective/pdf/0640%282008%29.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/analysispaper/retrospective/pdf/0640%282008%29.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At 85,000,000 barrels per day using these number let&#039;s do some basic math   

    * 42 gallons equals one oil barrel
    * A 55 gallon steel drum is 3 feet tall by 22 inches wide
    * A mile is 5,280 feet
    * The circumference of the earth is 24,901 miles
    * Speed of sound 768 mph


(85,000,000bbl x 42gal) / 55gal = 64,909,090 fifty-five gallon steel drums
(64,9090,090 x 3ft) / 5280ft = 36,880 mile long pipeline
36,880 / 24,901 = 1.48 or a pipeline stretching 1 1/2 times around the earth....every day 24/7
(36,880 / 24hr) / 768mph = Mach 2 or twice the speed of sound the oil would need to flow to replace the 85 million barrels being consumed every day.
(36,880 x 365days) / 24,901miles = 540 times you could encircle the earth every year with steel drums.

In World Energy Outlook 2008 the IEA basically said a new Saudi Arabia needs to be brought on line every 5 years just to offset global decline rates. However to meet increasing demands while offsetting declines a new Saudi Arabia would need to be brought on line every 3 1/2 years, 6 new SA by 2030. 
http://oildepletiondebate.blogspot.com/2008/11/iea-world-energy-outlook-2008.html

As National Geographic magazine put it: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2009/03/energy-challenge/mckibben-text
&quot;Let&#039;s do a little math to see why. The Energy Information Administration, an arm of the U.S. government, forecast last year that, all things being equal, world energy consumption would increase 50 percent by 2030. That&#039;s a good round number, summing up the desire of people across the world for refrigerators, televisions, ice cubes, hamburgers, motorbikes, and maybe even a little air-conditioning in the tropics.

But it&#039;s not at all clear where that energy can come from, because we happen to be alive at the moment when the oil is starting to run out. In No­vem­ber 2008 the International Energy Agency estimated that production from the world&#039;s mature oil fields was declining 6.7 percent a year, a rate that is expected to get even worse over time. Offsetting this decline will require finding a new Kuwait&#039;s worth of output every year, or somehow squeezing that much more from existing fields. Many observers think we&#039;ve already passed the peak of oil production. An optimist in this world is someone who thinks it might still be a matter of years. But there&#039;s little question where the future lies, which is why the cost of a barrel of oil spiked to $147 last year. It took the prospect of a Great Recession to bring it back down to $40. Curbing high gas prices with recurrent economic slumps is probably not the smartest of remedies.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At 85,000,000 barrels per day using these number let&#8217;s do some basic math   </p>
<p>    * 42 gallons equals one oil barrel<br />
    * A 55 gallon steel drum is 3 feet tall by 22 inches wide<br />
    * A mile is 5,280 feet<br />
    * The circumference of the earth is 24,901 miles<br />
    * Speed of sound 768 mph</p>
<p>(85,000,000bbl x 42gal) / 55gal = 64,909,090 fifty-five gallon steel drums<br />
(64,9090,090 x 3ft) / 5280ft = 36,880 mile long pipeline<br />
36,880 / 24,901 = 1.48 or a pipeline stretching 1 1/2 times around the earth&#8230;.every day 24/7<br />
(36,880 / 24hr) / 768mph = Mach 2 or twice the speed of sound the oil would need to flow to replace the 85 million barrels being consumed every day.<br />
(36,880 x 365days) / 24,901miles = 540 times you could encircle the earth every year with steel drums.</p>
<p>In World Energy Outlook 2008 the IEA basically said a new Saudi Arabia needs to be brought on line every 5 years just to offset global decline rates. However to meet increasing demands while offsetting declines a new Saudi Arabia would need to be brought on line every 3 1/2 years, 6 new SA by 2030.<br />
<a href="http://oildepletiondebate.blogspot.com/2008/11/iea-world-energy-outlook-2008.html" rel="nofollow">http://oildepletiondebate.blogspot.com/2008/11/iea-world-energy-outlook-2008.html</a></p>
<p>As National Geographic magazine put it: <a href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2009/03/energy-challenge/mckibben-text" rel="nofollow">http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/print/2009/03/energy-challenge/mckibben-text</a><br />
&#8220;Let&#8217;s do a little math to see why. The Energy Information Administration, an arm of the U.S. government, forecast last year that, all things being equal, world energy consumption would increase 50 percent by 2030. That&#8217;s a good round number, summing up the desire of people across the world for refrigerators, televisions, ice cubes, hamburgers, motorbikes, and maybe even a little air-conditioning in the tropics.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not at all clear where that energy can come from, because we happen to be alive at the moment when the oil is starting to run out. In No­vem­ber 2008 the International Energy Agency estimated that production from the world&#8217;s mature oil fields was declining 6.7 percent a year, a rate that is expected to get even worse over time. Offsetting this decline will require finding a new Kuwait&#8217;s worth of output every year, or somehow squeezing that much more from existing fields. Many observers think we&#8217;ve already passed the peak of oil production. An optimist in this world is someone who thinks it might still be a matter of years. But there&#8217;s little question where the future lies, which is why the cost of a barrel of oil spiked to $147 last year. It took the prospect of a Great Recession to bring it back down to $40. Curbing high gas prices with recurrent economic slumps is probably not the smartest of remedies.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Rapier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Rapier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, if you really want to have some fun, go back to the historical Annual Energy Outlooks from say 2000-2001 and look at how those projections panned out. Not a pretty picture.

RR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, if you really want to have some fun, go back to the historical Annual Energy Outlooks from say 2000-2001 and look at how those projections panned out. Not a pretty picture.</p>
<p>RR</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HA! Moments after reading your analysis, I bumped into these fitting words from &lt;a href=&quot;http://peaceandloveandnoticingthedetails.blogspot.com/2009/12/group-doesnt-force-you-to-lie.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anne Herbert&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;i&gt;The group doesn&#039;t force you to lie. It&#039;s a matter of emphasis. There are things you naturally notice and think about that the group doesn&#039;t want you to talk about. Getting sickly silence when you speak is no fun, so you don&#039;t talk in that direction. Not talking is easier if you don&#039;t notice and don&#039;t think in that direction. There are also some mild feelings you naturally have that the group likes. So you intensify your expression of these emotions which intensifies your inner experience of them. The applause that follows expressing these popular emotions helps fill the space left by the things you don&#039;t notice anymore. Over time, your mind is custom designed, but not for you.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HA! Moments after reading your analysis, I bumped into these fitting words from <a href="http://peaceandloveandnoticingthedetails.blogspot.com/2009/12/group-doesnt-force-you-to-lie.html" rel="nofollow">Anne Herbert</a>: </p>
<p><i>The group doesn&#8217;t force you to lie. It&#8217;s a matter of emphasis. There are things you naturally notice and think about that the group doesn&#8217;t want you to talk about. Getting sickly silence when you speak is no fun, so you don&#8217;t talk in that direction. Not talking is easier if you don&#8217;t notice and don&#8217;t think in that direction. There are also some mild feelings you naturally have that the group likes. So you intensify your expression of these emotions which intensifies your inner experience of them. The applause that follows expressing these popular emotions helps fill the space left by the things you don&#8217;t notice anymore. Over time, your mind is custom designed, but not for you.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Justin Ritchie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible post Chris! Thanks for this info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible post Chris! Thanks for this info.</p>
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